Fading Light, Expert Geneticist? Well, No.

Stormfronter ColdFire made a startlingly original observation recently:

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Race-mixing : Let's look at the World ( Dear opposers of Stormfront ! ) : Hello to all our resident Anti's from India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, North Korea or wherever on God's green Earth you may dwell  How y'all b!tches doing ?       Don't you find it peculiar that the countries which consist of un-mixed races also happen to be the most stabile ?

You can tell that ColdFire is excited about his revelation by all the happy smilies rolling around.  Well, lurker Joe Trucker had some questions.

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Re: Race-mixing : Let's look at the World You have made an interesting observation and your hypothesis could be testable, even statistically. It lacks scholarly specificity, though. You need to define your constructs such as "racial purity" and "stable." Also, still on the subject of strengthening your argument here, how would you respond to the observation that you are selective in your timeframe? For example, how stable would Europe look in 1915? Or, say, 1482 England? In other words, if racial purity has a causal relationship with political stability, we should observe that at any time when a region was mostly settled by racially pure people. Right? What about regionally? Are Ukrainians racially pure? Does Ukraine count as stable or not stable? Is Greece racially pure? Is Greece stable or not stable? The question of stability is pretty important to specify. For example, most of South America has been stable for at least 20 or more years with pockets of rebellion, like Colombia and Peru. Central America has had no serious instability since 1990. Mexico has a lot of issues, but politically stable in the sense that the government has not be in danger and there have been numerous transfers of power since the Revolution of 1910 to 1920 (or so).

Resident genetics expert and "Dungeon Moderator" Fading Light weighed in with some sciency sounding language.

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Re: Race-mixing : Let's look at the World You clearly don't know much about genetics, even though you are desperately trying to sound intelligent. (You failed miserably, by the way.) Quote: Originally Posted by JoeTrucker  Where are the divisions between races? Races are easily distinguished using principle component analysis, which examines the concordance of genomic sequences common to one geographic evolution pool and dissimilar to the next. Your question reflects your ignorance, as if you expect the delineation to be some sort of a symbol stamped on people's foreheads. Quote: How far back do you go to get to racial purity (noting, for the sake of Argument, that Europeans have the DNA of an entirely different Subspecies, Neandertal). You do realize, don't you, that the Neanderthal DNA claim has been repeatedly debunked. That won't stop the leftist media from endlessly repeating it, however, because it serves their genocidal agenda to try to convince Whites that we are "already mixed" and so should just relax and accept our decimation. Eriksson and Manika at Cambridge found that the entire methodology used to justify the conclusion of Neanderthal mixing was erroneous. To answer your silly question, we don't have to go back at all to get racial purity in Whites. 97% of Whites, even by leftist standards, show zero racial admixture at present. Our race is pure. [I]f racial purity has a causal relationship with political stability, we should observe that at any time when a region was mostly settled by racially pure people. Right? Wrong, idiot. We are talking about a statistical trend, not outliers and fluctuations. I see you not only don't understand anything about genetics, but you are also clueless about statistics. Did it ever occur to you that you hold the views you do and we hold the ones we do because you are ignorant and we are knowledgeable? Again, it's just a general trend, but one you ought to think about.

Fading Light often references scientific studies in her rabid defense of white supremacy.  But let's look at her actual claims here.


Races are easily distinguished using principle component analysis, which examines the concordance of genomic sequences common to one geographic evolution pool and dissimilar to the next.


A readily available source to reference on this topic is the Wikipedia page, Human genetic clustering.  It is clear, even on this cursory level that the clusters Fading Light references are averages.  For example, as the article states:

The notion of a genetic cluster is that people within the cluster share on average similar allele frequencies to each other than to those in other clusters. 

This does not describe racial purity on an individual level.  For example:

Bamshad et al. (2004) used the data from Rosenberg et al. (2002) to investigate the extent of genetic differences between individuals within continental groups relative to genetic differences between individuals between continental groups. They found that though these individuals could be classified very accurately to continental clusters, there was a significant degree of genetic overlap on the individual level, to the extent that, using 377 loci, individual Europeans were about 38% of the time more genetically similar to East Asians than to other Europeans.

The argument that genetic clusters represent some sort of racial purity is further debunked by the fact that human genetic variation is dependent on geographically clines:

 Rosenberg et al. (2005) make three relevant observations. Firstly they maintain that their clustering analysis is robust. Secondly they agree with Serre and Pääbo that membership of multiple clusters can be interpreted as evidence for clinality (isolation by distance), though they also comment that this may also be due to admixture between neighbouring groups (small island model). Thirdly they comment that evidence of clusterdness is not evidence for any concepts of "biological race"

Finally, on the issue of Neanderthal DNA in the human genome, Fading Light references the work of Eriksson and Manika who argued that traces of DNA shared by Europeans and Neanderthal could be vestiges of a common ancestor. She seems to believe that, in this case, we just go along with Eriksson and Manika because they say what we want said.  However, their argument has itself been rebutted. She doesn't let her readers know that, though.  The growing more current consensus is that Neanderthals interbred with humans.  ge