This was posted by "George Costanza" on January 18, 2015. Notice how careful George is to lay out a coherent, rational argument with little or no appeal to insult (you are a more patient man than I, George!):
Hello everyone. First of all, I wanted to say that I am anti-racist and I have decided to post here to explain why I see common WN views as untrue. I am going to try to explain why I think it is absolutely untrue that there is any sort of ``white genocide`` being carried out by Jews in this thread. This isn`t a thread about the benefits or lack thereof of racial diversity but just about common WN views on the Jews`role in this matter.
I have noticed that an extremely common viewpoint among white nationalists is that Jews have introduced diversity, multiculturalism, acceptance of the LGBT, social liberalism, etc.... as a way to reduce the percentage of the white population in ``white countries`` and to replace this ``native`` white population with other races. I do not understand exactly what WNs see as the motivation on the side of ``The Jew`` for such an alleged racial replacement but the thinking seems to be among the lines of that Jews want to destroy the ``racial consciousness`` and racial homogeneity of ``white countries`` so that they may rule over and be safe in this new, no longer all white, world.
Now, here is where the logic of the argument falls apart from me. Some WNs seem to think that, short of WN winning, the future of ``white countries`` will be a mixed race population ruled over by the Jews. That makes no sense when you consider that Jews living in multicultural countries such as the US have very high rates of inter-ethnic marriages (Why is Jewish intermarriage the highest among all US faiths? | The Times of Israel). There are plenty of articles online of Jewish writers, especially Rabbis, writing about their concern that Jewish-Gentile marriages are producing children not raised as Jewish and thus reducing the Jewish population in the countries in question. So my question is, if Jews are allegedly pushing for the races to live together and intermarry each other into what WNs see as racial extinction, was it part of this grand Jewish plan that Jews themselves would participate in this racial amalgamation ? So if there is in fact a Jewish plan to carry out a genocide on the white race, are they not committing it on themselves in the process ?
Other WNs I`ve noticed seem to believe more in the idea that the future, short of WN winning, will be that of a Eurabia, a racial civil war, racial balkanization, etc... or something among those lines. If you subscribe to this kind of outlook then it makes no sense that you would also believe that Jews are the cause of all this. Why would ``The Jew`` create a world of either racial conflict or a Europe being overrun by Sharia law ? Clearly, such a world would be extremely unsafe for Jews since both racial nationalists and Jihadis tend to be aggressively anti-Semitic (because the Jews are and have been an easy scapegoat for any and all social problems for a long time).
If I am misunderstanding anything above, please correct me. But it seems to me that the idea that the Jews are carrying out a genocide on white people is completely illogical. Either Jews are, as some of you say, forcing the races together into amalgation which if is to be considered white genocide ought to also be considered Asian genocide, black genocide, etc.... and Jewish genocide (since Jews are intermarrying just like all other ethnic groups living in multicultural countries). Now, why would the alleged Jewish supremacists who are allegedly running white countries and supposedly poisoning it with cultural Marxism also ``mongrelising`` their own ethnic group in the process ? Of, conversely, if the Jews are behind the ``mass immigration`` in, e.g., Europe which is allegedly accumulating into a Eurasia sort of situation, why are they transforming a continent which is relatively safe for Jews now (despite the mass prevalence of anti-Semitism not only in Europe but across the globe) into a continent of sharia law which would endanger the Jews even more than the ``white, christian, native European`` ? Note that I am not even touching up on how bad such an alleged Eurabia situation would be for the state of Israel and the international support it relies on to survive.
This alleged Jewish plan of white genocide seems to be, on its face, very, very, very bad for ```the Jew``. The way I see it is there is no way that any sort of Jewish plot to destroy the white, or any other, race does or can exist.
(And before anyone asks, I myself am white, yes, and no I am not Jewish but I`ve noticed that ant-Semitism seems to be next to a literal requirement to be a WN so I thought I would address this.)
Ok, thanks for that George. How did Stormfront react? Did the reasonable, rational folks at Stormfront show George where his errors of logic were? Do I need to even ask that? I mean, consider the audience. No, this is what the response was:
Heavy hitter on the Stormfront front and gatekeeper moderator, Fading Light had this contribute:
Read: Ah, we shouldn't have let this thoughtful post through so I will insult you to let the lemmings know not take what you say seriously. Fading Light, as you will come to know is the bigwig moderator of the opposing viewpoints forum. She is very unscrupulous in how she edits opposing viewpoints to frame and control discussion. Other regulars on the site either are aware of this fact and silently assent or, it seems some are unaware as I will show in future posts, often wondering why the poster made such grievous logical errors. Another controller is "Lord Jim" who is usually the first to call "troll" on cogent opposing viewpoints:
Here is an exchange between Lord Jim and a forum member complaining about censorship:
Jim responds:
George/testep, I'll post your brilliant responses. Send them to me.
NOTE: Some posts edited for length, just to give you a flavor of the quality of discussion on Stormfront.org. You can follow the links to read the whole thing for yourself.
Now, here is where the logic of the argument falls apart from me. Some WNs seem to think that, short of WN winning, the future of ``white countries`` will be a mixed race population ruled over by the Jews. That makes no sense when you consider that Jews living in multicultural countries such as the US have very high rates of inter-ethnic marriages (Why is Jewish intermarriage the highest among all US faiths? | The Times of Israel). There are plenty of articles online of Jewish writers, especially Rabbis, writing about their concern that Jewish-Gentile marriages are producing children not raised as Jewish and thus reducing the Jewish population in the countries in question. So my question is, if Jews are allegedly pushing for the races to live together and intermarry each other into what WNs see as racial extinction, was it part of this grand Jewish plan that Jews themselves would participate in this racial amalgamation ? So if there is in fact a Jewish plan to carry out a genocide on the white race, are they not committing it on themselves in the process ?
Other WNs I`ve noticed seem to believe more in the idea that the future, short of WN winning, will be that of a Eurabia, a racial civil war, racial balkanization, etc... or something among those lines. If you subscribe to this kind of outlook then it makes no sense that you would also believe that Jews are the cause of all this. Why would ``The Jew`` create a world of either racial conflict or a Europe being overrun by Sharia law ? Clearly, such a world would be extremely unsafe for Jews since both racial nationalists and Jihadis tend to be aggressively anti-Semitic (because the Jews are and have been an easy scapegoat for any and all social problems for a long time).
If I am misunderstanding anything above, please correct me. But it seems to me that the idea that the Jews are carrying out a genocide on white people is completely illogical. Either Jews are, as some of you say, forcing the races together into amalgation which if is to be considered white genocide ought to also be considered Asian genocide, black genocide, etc.... and Jewish genocide (since Jews are intermarrying just like all other ethnic groups living in multicultural countries). Now, why would the alleged Jewish supremacists who are allegedly running white countries and supposedly poisoning it with cultural Marxism also ``mongrelising`` their own ethnic group in the process ? Of, conversely, if the Jews are behind the ``mass immigration`` in, e.g., Europe which is allegedly accumulating into a Eurasia sort of situation, why are they transforming a continent which is relatively safe for Jews now (despite the mass prevalence of anti-Semitism not only in Europe but across the globe) into a continent of sharia law which would endanger the Jews even more than the ``white, christian, native European`` ? Note that I am not even touching up on how bad such an alleged Eurabia situation would be for the state of Israel and the international support it relies on to survive.
This alleged Jewish plan of white genocide seems to be, on its face, very, very, very bad for ```the Jew``. The way I see it is there is no way that any sort of Jewish plot to destroy the white, or any other, race does or can exist.
(And before anyone asks, I myself am white, yes, and no I am not Jewish but I`ve noticed that ant-Semitism seems to be next to a literal requirement to be a WN so I thought I would address this.)
Ok, thanks for that George. How did Stormfront react? Did the reasonable, rational folks at Stormfront show George where his errors of logic were? Do I need to even ask that? I mean, consider the audience. No, this is what the response was:
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Moron. I wasn't going to read your post after looking at the title, but what the Hell....I needed a good laugh tonight. You fool, the world is de-evolving on a daily basis into a multicultural morass and you are completely blind to this reality.
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Someone please remove this troll before he causes any further chaos. Saying Jews do not promote white genocide is like saying blacks do not commit crime😕As for the question of why would Jews endanger themselves by bringing anti semetic Muslims in the answer is simple. Because it doesn't effect them directly since they will be safe in their gated community rich neighborhood. It is the lower and middle class who suffer the consequences of multiculturalism.
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Heavy hitter on the Stormfront front and gatekeeper moderator, Fading Light had this contribute:
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George, your post isn't really worth debating because it is so overloaded with strawman arguments and retarded assumptions that it basically just amounts to a confession on your part of how monumentally stupid you are.
I would have done you the favor of deleting your stupid post if I had been the first to see it so that the world would never have to know what a dumb ass you are, but I wasn't the mod on duty when it came through. If it's any comfort, I feel very sorry for you.
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Read: Ah, we shouldn't have let this thoughtful post through so I will insult you to let the lemmings know not take what you say seriously. Fading Light, as you will come to know is the bigwig moderator of the opposing viewpoints forum. She is very unscrupulous in how she edits opposing viewpoints to frame and control discussion. Other regulars on the site either are aware of this fact and silently assent or, it seems some are unaware as I will show in future posts, often wondering why the poster made such grievous logical errors. Another controller is "Lord Jim" who is usually the first to call "troll" on cogent opposing viewpoints:
Here is an exchange between Lord Jim and a forum member complaining about censorship:
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I didn't post to try to counter anyone's opinion on this site. I was simply asking for more info. If people can't ask questions and engage in a conversation, no one can learn anything about the facts. The hostility toward people did nothing but scare them away and make the people on this site look like drunk clan-member rednecks. The sad part is that you are very intelligent and could do some good if you stopped deleting legit questions and stop attacking people when questions do get through. |
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Every moron that comes here crying about their valid posts being censored, have yet to post those questions someplace else thus proving their claim. Instead, you and your ilk whine about it claiming your truly brilliant posts vanish into nothing leaving only the idiocy behind. |
George/testep, I'll post your brilliant responses. Send them to me.
NOTE: Some posts edited for length, just to give you a flavor of the quality of discussion on Stormfront.org. You can follow the links to read the whole thing for yourself.
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